Wednesday, August 09, 2006

Fratire vs. ChickLit

Fratire? What does this mean for women? Does it mean anything? Or are guys becoming just as packaged and manipulated as women? (Probably. Who these days isn't?)

Tucker Max, in his post on the HuffingtonPost, goes on to say/write some things about feminism I'm not entirely sure I agree with, but I do agree that this surge in "masculinity" and the creation of fratire is related to feminism. As he says, the ideas of feminism, and esp. extreme feminism, can't exist in a vaccuum. It affects other people, other ideas, etc.

Something that he said that I also agree with (for the most part) is that Fratire isn't neccessarily against women as a gender. Some of the authors/bloggers might be (as he is himself quite often), but as a movement, it's mostly a celebration of brash masculinity and beer. As he points out, women are a fan of both his site, and Maddox's. (Yeah, I do read the Best Page in the Universe.)

Now, I'm just trying to figure out... why, if both ChickLit and Fratire have fans, and I suppose a respective place on someone's bookshelf, does it make me feel uneasy? I think it's because both genres seem to be rather limiting, and pigeonhole both the readers and the authors quite quickly. The Shopaholic books, or Nanny Diaries, etc, are for a select group of people... they seem like the "pulp classics" of today's world, along with romance novels (ewww).

[EDIT: And, as I grow more familar with Tucker's book & site, it seems he details the exploits his drunken exploits with equally drunk women. Shall we say, a "Girls Gone Wild" for the literaries? Give me humor, give me wit, but please, give me taste and perhaps a shred of respect. Interestingly enough, it seems Tucker (and a few other Fratire writers) seem to realize that they're complete assholes, though they seem to think its part of their appeal. Really though, it just validates and confirms drunken, assinine behavior across college campuses nationwide.]

Just as certain people like Westerns or mysteries, I guess there's a spot for these "new" genres as well. Not on my shelf though.


Anonymous said...

i'm not sure what fratire is but i do know men that love this website: - with a chat room, wingman locator and a biblical seduction guide on how to literally program women to do anything you want... yes, feminism can't operate in a vacuum... that's for sure.

Jennifer said...

Ewww. Hopefully, the more women that learn about this site, learn about the programming and psychological tactics the guys use, the more women can spot it, avoid it, or better yet, toss it back in a guy's face. Psychology works both ways! While I agree feminism can't operate in a vaccuum, this is pretty disgusting. Pass this around to all your female friends, make sure they know what they might be dealing with. Urgh.

It's interesting how media can (and has) use these same tactics as well, on both genders.

Kari1279 said...

I can understand why women may feel hatred toward Tucker. If you've read any of his work, it's obvious he is a bad person who simply learned how to write. But it's hard not to laugh at his stories. Thing is, I am seriously a fan of this "fratire" genre, so I don't think we should completely chastise his books. Though I have found other authors who I think may serve as good substitutes if you're looking to have a good read without hating the author. Look into Dave Glenn's book Sexcessful Failures ( and any of Chelsea Handler's books, particularly My Horizontal Life (Does she have a blog or website?). But overall, I think the fratire genre is healthy because it certainly taps into an area of life that goes unspoken far too often